Ray Oldenburg introduced the term “third place” in 1989, and it’s now ubiquitous. Property developers, museum planners, and shared workspace companies use it – sometimes accurately and sometimes not. This phone conversation took place on Ray’s 88th birthday, in April 2020. Karen Christensen, who is writing the new coauthored edition of The Great Good Place, says: “I hoped that Ray and I would continue to have conversations as I sketched out new chapters for the book, but this was, in fact, our only phone call. We did manage a Zoom cocktail hour, with the help of his friend Robert Dugan, and then another cocktail Zoom with friends in Brooklyn, who’d been inspired by Ray and wanted to meet him. They are among the many people around the world whose enthusiasm and experience will help to shape the 21st-century, post-pandemic edition of The Great Good Place.” 20 minutes.